It doesn't matter if you're some starving little child in africa abducted by Kony and whatnot, or if you're this 13 year old girl that thinks she will never get a boyfriend.
If you're one of those people that have been educated about the holy God your whole life, and how there is a heaven, You're bound for dissapointment.
The littlest things can make you severely depressed (well that's how it is in my case) because, i am constantly comparing the shit that happens here with the heaven i have always believed is real (?). See, what i'm getting at is, why is God putting us through this. (from a depressed formal christian's point of view)
The main question i had was, why would God create a world where people suffer. He knew that Adam would eat the apple, and that he would let sin in. for all of us to suffer in. so, I stumbled upon this on the internet.
(don't get me wrong with the next statement, i am very low faith)
"If God knew that we would sin, why did he create the world?Our tendency in answering this question is to look at it from a man-centred perspective: what’s in it for us? Wouldn’t it have been better for us never to have sinned?
But the answer that the bible gives challenges us by taking a God-centred perspective. And it makes us step back and ask an even bigger question:
Why did God create the world at all?
God didn’t create the world primarily for our benefit, he did it for his glory. He created a world that would display his glory most fully and most perfectly. That is to say, every aspect of God’s character could be shown in its most extreme form.
If God had created a world in which no one sinned, what aspects of his character could he have shown? His creative power, his loving-kindness, his provision for his people."
I guess that's reasonable right? Well i wasn't too sure after reading this:
"Why did God feel the need to prove anything about His character to Himself or to anyone, particularly the likes of His created sub-beings like angels and us? Why could He not have been satisfied to know this about Himself and leave at that? Why the big need to create a world and beings to whom you can show your glory? Was He not satisfied to just know it about Himself? Is He not all-sufficient? If there’s a true answer to this question, then the follow up question is Why, then, does He feel the need to create these very real people to show His glory to and expose these very real people, who He loves (?), to sin and evil and then send these very real people to hell to a very real suffering without hope for all eternity just to prove and display His glory to those who, by His won choosing, will not meet the same fate? Who is He doing this for and why? Isn’t He really just doing all of this for Himself and real, not imaginary, created beings burn in hell and suffer unending misery for all eternity because of it? We’re told that nothing in Him is lacking, but apparently, He was not just pleased just to know this about Himself and be satisfied with that."
When i finished reading that i was speechless. i thought God was selfish, and i was coming to hate him.
The only fucking thing that's keeping me from committing suicide is the fear that i will go to an eternity in hell, I WOULD PERSONALLY PREFER NOT TO EXIST AT ALL.
But no, I'm stuck here in fear. Bearing through each day.. wishing i could just be in heaven or not exist at all. Why should committing suicide be a sin, in the first place? Like, We're exposed to so much sin and evil, if i ever committed suicide, it would be because i'm sick of living here and i just want to be with my creator in heaven. I would like to think that if we had all the right intentions when committing suicide, we could go to heaven.
But having said that ... Nothing makes sense. I'm starting to believe God isn't even real. and when a full pledged christian starts to believe that, your whole life just seems like shit. I mean like, any bad thing that happens to you, you automatically blame it on God. There is no 'manning up' or 'suck it up, it's life' when you've been in my experience.
I just want to either not exist at all... or be in heaven. But the risk of an eternity in hell just scares me too much, and this bad life doesn't compare to what hell would be like.
So I'm just stuck. I'm just waiting here, for my time to come. My self esteem is so low ... I mean like, about a month ago i got a girlfriend, and she was kind of the person i would lean on in God's place. I guess that rubbed off as 'too clingy' and now she's just fucking ignoring me. I thought girls liked having attention, i would call her every day. just to see how she is, yenno, and chat. I didn't think i was being annoying, i just want to feel equally missed and loved.
But over all, i want to meet my creator... | |
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i hope reality hits you soon.
I wonder how many of those million jews hitler executed were complete and faithful christians that died anyways
There is a God and He does love you. His name is Jesus Christ. He died for your sins so you could be saved if you repent and believe in Him. I know there is a lot of bad stuff happening around, but it is not God's fault, these things are made by satan and his demons ( evil spirits ). When was Jesus on the earth He was casting these evil spirits away from people, they really do exist, ( for example a spirit of suicide, the spirit of adultery, the spirit of pride, the spirit of hatred, the spirit of murder.. etc.) All these are bad and they wants to find human bodies to make their plans like wars, divorces, suicides....But Jesus showed us that He is the Authority, the Only God who can cast them away, look in the Bible! Since Jesus rose from the dead, he is now in heaven, but Christians ( those who accepted Christ into their heart ) they have Jesus Spirit inside of them so they can cast those evil spirits away as well in Jesus name. I am a Christian and I have seen them leaving a person many times, it is all real! Jesus loves you. You have to personaly invite Him into your heart, only He can give you eternal life. He is awesome :-)
Just wait till Christ comes again. You will all see.
What a load of hot air.
i larned the real answear. i learned the truth at a early age, so im not going to tell yyou everything mostly because im still putting the last details in and even more imporantly its dangrous. dont ask how i know, its a long story. you can never live the way you used too. since i was so young i had no idea what i was getting into. you live in fear. you lay awake at night and you can never talk to people the same way again. i will tell you small details like things you probaly want to know most. for one, there is most defintly a hell. and sorry for the disappointment but all humans go there. olny the pure faces make it out. you might be a pure face but its still uncertian. (by the way im not pranking you and im not crazy, what im telling you is real) i am a pure face. but im staying in hell. i went to far , learned too much. dont do the same just stick to what im telling you. i also did a few things i was warned repeatly not to. (my curiosity got the best of me) so they'll make sure im punished. im not afraid . i dared them. told them to do their worse. and i know for sure they will so please dont make the same mistake. and dont do anything they wont like . ex: burning a black feather during the full moon then shoutig im here come get me . biggest mistake of my life. there is no heaven. there is a place that you go to when you escape hell. its amazing , been there so many times intill they closed the gate i opeoned. there is no god. there is a creator , several of them. then thee is this most powerfull creature in the entire world. if it wasnt for her sacrifice the world wouldnt be here. she is nothing like god. she dosnt rule any body or anything. she is very dangurous. could kill you with her own eyes. she is supposed to be in hiding. its said she is pretending to be a teenager or some were along that age line. i hope to find her. maybe you will. she is supposed to talk weird. quiet, keeps herslef hidden yet she stands out way too much. anyways suicide wont quiken the proscess of meeting the creators. you just float in darkness intill you real life would end. so dont do that its miserable. and besides maybe you can make a diffrence. maybe you csn get people to think more and whatever you do get out of christianity. they get punished worse. everything about it is a lie even about hell. one day youll understand
When was the last time a Christian blew a bunch of people up?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Idiot.
Yeah...you "rational" people are too smart for us.
Dopes.
If ur a religious person then understand this way. God needs us as much as we need him because first we r part of him and he gave us pain to punish himself (hahahha...Really don't understand why this line came to my mind, but if it is then it must be true or atleast somehow true.)
He gave us pain just to make sure that we will believe in him because this is the only thing what most people do when they r in pain or afraid of something specially death. People will stop believing in him if they have nothing to afraid and so the existence of GOD will end. This time or era is very right or the best for him to do so..
Secondly i don't believe in those stupid religious story, hell or heaven. I am kind of person who understand both science and religion but don't believe in both truly. As far as i understand those story can't be true, they r just made by cleaver people to make other stupid people to believe in religion and to worship GOD so to make good fortune for them. And this is the only thing i will do if were in there place. Also if those stories r true somehow then they have no good anymore, because now there is no GODS, Demi GODS, creature, stuff just the humans or mankind. Those may be existed and now they r gone, they r gone for good, good for mankind and for there kind as well... so stop believing in those stories and thing anymore.....
There is one more thing about hell, heaven, sin, good, bad etc stuff... First how it is good if someone gets punishment for their sins after life or death because he don't remember what they have did also not going to remember in new life as well.. Secondly if someone hurts other, do sins entire life, in end he may die worse but i don't thing it really matter because someone is already hurt because of that person and he spend the only life he can remember he spend it in good fortune and the 5-10 min of death won't matter in front of that.........
So thing is stop believing in everything what people or religious people says, first understand thing (Because everyone has a brain which function the same way as other), secondly don't just live ur life running for stupid things..
Me, I just take the Universe itself as evidence that there is a Supreme Creator.
Did your house just appear where it is? According to an Atheist, by PURE chance, a bunch of trees and rocks were blown by the wind and broken and pressed together in just the right way to create a house. Makes perfect sense.
I believe it was built by and architect, but hey, I'm too far gone to listen to reason, right?
Bad things happen to all of us either as a result of our choices, someone else's, or something out of anyone's control. God is still here to help us overcome those things. Some people think God isn't real because bad things happen, implying that if God was real, He would force everyone to do everything right and good and everyone would be happy because no one would feel pain. Even though you can't really have happiness without sadness, nor pleasure without pain, and so on and so forth. What a huge flaw.
God is real. You can shout that He isn't until you're blue in the face, but the fact remains, God exists.
Good luck, skeptics.
Creationists and Fundies who insist on taking the Bible literally word for word have to accept all the stupidity, defects, flaws, and cruelties are all part of God's creation. So if you believe God created all things then that means He created mental retardation, execrement, mold, mildew, centipedes, widow spiders, ticks, fleas, lice, predation, hurricanes, tsunamis, cancer, ebola, heart disease, stroke, aneurysm, tooth decay, bubonic plague, rabies, harlequin ichthyosis, etc. The list of embarrassments is a long one. The creator of these horrors is a criminal who has allowed thousands to millions of years of pain, suffering, death, and extinctions from Nature alone.
Human evil and human cruelty has greatly added to the pain, suffering, death, and extinctions. It seems this God is more concerned with human free will and with the free will of Satan and demons than He is with the welfare, well being, safety, and happiness of His creation. This is immoral, insane, cruel, unwise, irresponsible. This is not love. This is not mercifulness. Plus we dont have total free will. Nature and nurture also dictates and determines human behavior whether bad or good. This God seems not to notice this, and neither do Fundies and creationists. We worship a cruel, unreasoning God. Its a God who has no common sense and no reasoning.
The most diabolically cruel, heartless thing about this God is that He allows our loved ones to suffer and die, or allows our loved ones to be taken away from us, whether its from some horrible disease, accident,injury, crime, war, starvation, dehydration, pollution, heat stroke, hypothermia, poisoning. This is utterly evil, cruel, heartless, despicable.
The Fundie God killed millions of people and killed billions of animals in the Bible, and it doesnt make any difference to Him whether His victims deserve it or not. He just blindly, recklessly, stupidly, indiscriminately punishes and kills. He killed 70,000 men just because David took a census, He killed 50,070 people just because a few touched or peeked inside the Ark of the covenant, He threatens people with turning into cannibals and with eating their babies, He killed thousands of peopoe just because they were complaining?! He punishes and kills innocent snimals for the sins of human beings. His punishments are overkill, monstrously cruel, inhumane, disgusting, and beyond what we csn imagine. This God is a blind hypocrite who cannot see sin in His own behavior, who cannot see sin in His monstrously cruel, inhumane punishments, and who cannot see sin in the suffering and evil He allows. Hypocrite.
The belief in hell is monstrous beyond belief. According to Fundie Christians, billions of people are doomed to hell, including many Christians who didnt believe the entire Bible word for word or because they chose the wrong church. So salvation and interpreting the Bible and choosing the true church( if there is such a thing) becomes an eenie minie mo guessing game, and if we guess wrong, then its hell. Its beyond sick. The Bible is vague, ambiguous, unclear, and full of hundreds of contradictions from Genesis to Revelation. The Bible has caused centuries of mass disagreement, mass division, and mass confusion. Each church and denomination thinks only that they are right and everyone else is wrong and headed to hell. What a hopeless mess.
Fundie Christians such as Bill Wiese, Mary Baxter, Terry Watkins, and the sick, demented David J. Stewart describe the horrors of hell as having fire, worms, a sewer like stench, suffocation or inability to breathe, giant spiders and giant snakes, being mutilated and sliced by demonic monsters, and being buried alive inside a claustrophobic, coffin like environment. See David J. Stewart's sick disgusting website:Buried slive, alive in hell, where he says that victims in hell will suffer claustrophobia forever as they burn in fire at the same time. Imagine being buried alive forver inside a closed coffin and burning in fire at the same time. Claustrophobia forever, suffocation forever, incineration forever. I cannot imagine a God being anymore evil than this. Its monstrous, diabolical cruelty infinitely worse than any horror movie. What kind of monster inflicts such tortures? What kind of criminal does this? This is overcharged, supercharged cruelty and sadism on steroids. This is so monstrously cruel the human mind cannot even begin to grasp it. We worship a nasty monster.
Fundie Christianity and especially Calvinism worships a cruel monstrous insane God. "I make peace and create evil," Isahaia chapter 45, verse 7, King James Bible. Thats God describing Himself. It sounds like a deity with a Jekyll and Hyde personality who is full of contradictions and contrasts, and it sounds like a hypocrite.
Gnostics believe there are at least two Gods, and the God who made this screwed up world is the Demiurge, a cruel,inept,incompetent,insane, immoral, amoral, hypocritical being who made both good and evil, andcwhose intelligence goes hand in hand with His stupidity. There is snother God who is good and wise but weak and unable to help us. Gnosticism is a Dualistic religion, whereas traditional Christianity, Catholicism and Protestantism are Monistic.
My beloved father died in 2011 from heart disease and stroke and my beloved mother died in 2015 from a stroke. The sadness and grief I feel is indescribable. What kind of God allows this? Theres no way an all good, all mighty, all wise, loving, merciful, rational, sane God would allow such horrors as disease. Disease ruins lives and snatches away our loved ones. Disease is a crime, and the creator of disease is a criminal worse than Hitler and lower than sewer bacteria. Whoever or whatever created diseases is a cruel, heartless, demented, insane, stupid, careless monster, criminal, fiend, lowlife, degenerate, maniac, idiot.
Im alone in the house which is badly decaying and theres mold, mildew, and vermin everywhere I look. Repulsive vermin such as spiders, earwigs, clothes moths, ants, flies, etc abound. What kind of sick perverted demon creates these things? The creator is a sick minded, degenerate idiot. Immoral amoral scum.
On those occasions I went to the hospital for my parents, I witnessed horrific suffering. There were people who were screaming, yelling, crying, groaning, vomiting and crapping. What kind of God allows this hell? Where is the God of love and mercy? Theres not a trace of Him here. In late 1977, I went to a nursing home for my grandfather shortly before he passed away. The atmosphere of the place was utterly sad. One woman who was afflicted with dementia began babbling incoherently and then without warning, vomited on the floor. How anyone could work in such a place is beyond me.
The entire world is a slaughterhouse where people and animals have to kill and eat eachother. 90 percent of the animal kingdom are meat eaters, and 95 percent of humans are meat eaters. That means theres violence, carnage, killing, death, and gore everwhere. Witness the horros of factory farms where the victims are chickens, turkeys, ducks, pigs, sheep, cows, and bulls. Its like something out of a horror movie. But Nature and the creator is more to blame for this for making us humans meat eaters and for making us violent, cruel, savage. The creator is more to blame than the creation. Its the creator who deserves a slap in the face. Its the creator who is really responsible for this disgusting mess.
Horrors such as stonefish, centipedes, widow spiders etc cause horrific, torturous pain with their venomous bites and stings. Victims of stonefish sting are said to scream and writhe in pain thats worse than kidney stone. What kind of sick, perverted, cruel demon creates such horrors? Theres some kind of evil, demonic, Devilish, Satanic force out there that thrves on and which enjoys inflicting suffering and death. Cruel, sadistic, heartless, evil, malevolent supernatural scumbags who feed off of suffering. How else to explain this dungheap, horror movie world, and how else to explain its Satanic nature? The world is a toilet bowl, a trash can, a sewer, a haven for vermin, a haven for criminals, a warzone, a slaughterhouse, a hospital, a funeral home, a haven for mold and mildew, and horror movie and hellhole ruled by the Devil.
I had a heart attack in May 2017. I would have died had I not gone to the hospital. Pray, beg, and plead with this God to heal you and this God will let you suffer and die. We worship a useless God. He doesn't help us, He doesn't heal us, He doesn't provide for us, He doesn't protect us, He doesn't restore us, He doesn't answer our questions, He doesn't communicate with us. We may as well be praying to a tree trunk. No one up there is listening and no one up there gives a crap. Whatever is out there isn't worthy of worship.
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